If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
DON'T UPGRADE XP PRO TO BETA 2 - YOU WILL LOSE YOUR OUTLOOK
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
Of course you followed the upgrade directions carefully and didn't install the BETA on your production machine and backed up your test system before installing BETA software on it, right? If not, you'll get no sympathy from me.
When all else fails.... read the instructions.
Good advice. Try practicing what you preach!
Tom Lake
Tom, you beat me to it! ;)
And of course the OP broke the terms of the EULA by so doing, so perhaps Microsoft should take action against him or her?
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Tom Lake" wrote in message
Of course you followed the upgrade directions carefully and didn't install the BETA on your production machine and backed up your test system before installing BETA software on it, right? If not, you'll get no sympathy from me.
When all else fails.... read the instructions.
Good advice. Try practicing what you preach!
Tom Lake
I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista. As for it being my production machine, I only have one PC and the email - which was one of those that was lost - specifically stated that they needed to know about the upgrade scenario to be sure it would be ready for RC1 status soon.
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did. Save your smart assed symapathy remarks for them.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Tom Lake" wrote:
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
Of course you followed the upgrade directions carefully and didn't install the BETA on your production machine and backed up your test system before installing BETA software on it, right? If not, you'll get no sympathy from me.
When all else fails.... read the instructions.
Good advice. Try practicing what you preach!
Tom Lake
Hi Kolohe Wiz
Thanks for warning everyone that we may lose valuable data if we are not carefull.
Very sorry to hear you have cancer, don't dispare, that does not mean its the end by any means, get well soon, miracles do happen, I pray for you.
Now about your lost data.
Sorry to here you lost some very important data.
But remember in computing really nothing, yes nothing, is ever lost, its just a matter how much you want to spend to recover it.
Often original data can be recovered from a HDD that has been formatted many times, or even data that has been scrambled, overwritten, deleted with mulitple overwrites to US Government distruction standards can be recovered.
I am not saying that you lost $600 of data and it will cost you $8,000 to recover it, but it might, everything is relative, how much do you really need the data, it might not cost much at all to recover it, think positive.
I suggest you contact a professional advanced recover company and get a quote for their services, professional recover services nowadays are extremely advance but expensive, and they also take time, recovery is not a hasty matter, sometimes it could take weeks, yes really.
Don't attempt advanced data recovery yourself, you could just make it worse.
All alpha's and beta's should be considered to be potentially unstable, no matter what the developers say or allude to, thats the nature of software development, it user beware.
It is often best to just install major OS's beta's on a spare machine, and never as a duel boot on a production machine or your only machine.
Cheap modern second hand machines are the way to go with major OS beta's, never, never, upgrade untill final release, not even for RC1's.
One last thing, I was always taught that "backup" means to off the machine, to tape, disk, external and removable HDD, not just to some archive file on the same machine, that way if the machine blows-up who cares, remember it us vs the machines, and the machines win every time.
Good Luck.
Grumpy
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista. As for it being my production machine, I only have one PC and the email - which was one of those that was lost - specifically stated that they needed to know about the upgrade scenario to be sure it would be ready for RC1 status soon.
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did. Save your smart assed symapathy remarks for them.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Tom Lake" wrote:
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
Of course you followed the upgrade directions carefully and didn't install the BETA on your production machine and backed up your test system before installing BETA software on it, right? If not, you'll get no sympathy from me.
When all else fails.... read the instructions.
Good advice. Try practicing what you preach!
Tom Lake
I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista.
A proper backup is on removeable media which isn't even in the machine while Vista is loaded. How could Vista corrupt it?
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did.
Yes they will lose data if they don't follow common sense procedures. (Why do they call it common sense when it seems to be so UNcommon?)
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
If I was dying of cancer (or any other untreatable disease) I certainly wouldn't sweat losing some data off a hard drive. Nice try.
Tom Lake
The is a Beta version of Windows. Why would you upgrade at all? Install Vista on a separate partition and dual boot. That way you can leave your current operating system untouched and intact. This is how I set up my PC to install Vista Beta 2:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jbmsbink/VistaInstall.jpg
Joe
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
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"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message
I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista. As for it being my production machine, I only have one PC and the email - which was one of those that was lost - specifically stated that they needed to know about the upgrade scenario to be sure it would be ready for RC1 status soon.
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did. Save your smart assed symapathy remarks for them.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
I'm sorry you have cancer, but don't have any clue what that has to do here.
If you only have one machine, than the Vista Beta was NOT for you. No ifs, ands or buts, you should not have installed it.
Even if you were going to, leaving the original files AND the backups on the drives was ludicrous. If you can't afford a cheap USB hard drive and be smart enough to leave it unplugged while testing Vista, then frankly, you're not the right person to be beta testing.
Tom
Tom,
I thought I was the only cynic. Beta testing Vista would not be on the top of my to-do list.
Even if true, I don't see how it pertains to the subject at hand.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
If I was dying of cancer (or any other untreatable disease) I certainly wouldn't sweat losing some data off a hard drive. Nice try.
Tom Lake
The last time I looked a DVD was separate and that's where it was backed up to as well as a separate partition on the hard drive. And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
And you would sweat it if it contained critical information, trust me. Then again, with your apparent attitude, you probably wouldn't. My guess is that you are one of the true yuppies. In this case, yuppies is an acronym. You figure it out. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Tom Lake" wrote:
I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista.
A proper backup is on removeable media which isn't even in the machine while Vista is loaded. How could Vista corrupt it?
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did.
Yes they will lose data if they don't follow common sense procedures. (Why do they call it common sense when it seems to be so UNcommon?)
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
If I was dying of cancer (or any other untreatable disease) I certainly wouldn't sweat losing some data off a hard drive. Nice try.
Tom Lake
That remark was directed at his stupid remark. No, beta testing is not a high priority of mine but it helps to keep my mind off the constant pain. When your only means of income is from working at home and you lose a lot of important data needed for that work for no apparent reason other than a loss of stability between Beta 1 Build 5381 and Beta 2 Build 5384, you tend to get pissed off.
-- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"digitalexplr" wrote:
Tom,
I thought I was the only cynic. Beta testing Vista would not be on the top of my to-do list.
Even if true, I don't see how it pertains to the subject at hand.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
If I was dying of cancer (or any other untreatable disease) I certainly wouldn't sweat losing some data off a hard drive. Nice try.
Tom Lake
I swear that you are all as stupid as the tech support personnel in most companies you have to deal with - The data was corrupted on the hard drive and DVD's used to back it up. FACT: The data gets corrupted on the hard drive BEFORE it could backed up or DURING the backup process. It's a thing called logic that apparently no one that has responded can grasp. As for the beta testing on a single machine, that's why there are two hard drives in it and why, until this point, I had always kept the systems physically separated and used a dual boot setup. This time there was a specific request to test the "upgrade scenario" so that's what I did. At first there were no problems and everything was working fine. Then I chose to go back to XP Pro because I didn't feel there was adequate security in Vista or available for it. Since the Outlook backups had always worked before, I trusted that they would this time. Instead the entire backup file was destroyed for all practical purposes. What else do you call it when a file over 50MB's in size suddenly shrinks to 255KB?
FYI: The cancer reference was directed at Tom more as a reference to the fact this his remarks mean nothing because I have far more important issues to deal with every day. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Tom Scales" wrote:
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message I did follow the instructions and backed everything up and the backups were corrupted by Vista. As for it being my production machine, I only have one PC and the email - which was one of those that was lost - specifically stated that they needed to know about the upgrade scenario to be sure it would be ready for RC1 status soon.
I'm not asking for sympathy either. I had no problems with Build 5381 which was still technically Beta 1. The general public has access to Beta 2 and will lose things just like I did. Save your smart assed symapathy remarks for them.
I'm dying from untreatable cancer and personally don't give a rats ass about your snide remarks.
I'm sorry you have cancer, but don't have any clue what that has to do here.
If you only have one machine, than the Vista Beta was NOT for you. No ifs, ands or buts, you should not have installed it.
Even if you were going to, leaving the original files AND the backups on the drives was ludicrous. If you can't afford a cheap USB hard drive and be smart enough to leave it unplugged while testing Vista, then frankly, you're not the right person to be beta testing.
Tom
No, you need to learn basic logic and Vista needs to be made far more stable before public release.
FACT: A backup is only as good as the data it contains.
FACT: If the data gets corrupted BEFORE or DURING the backup process (as is the case here), then it is the fault of the OS or software and not the user. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
the backups were corrupted by Vista.
You need to learn how to make proper backups. End of story.
If there had not been an email specifically requesting to test the upgrade scenario, I would have stuck to the dual boot like I had up to now - two hard drives - one for production and one for testing. Considering that this beta was released to the general public, it should have been stable enough to use as requested as an upgrade. According to the Vista readiness check, the only problems I should have experienced were with the Norton software and some SQL server items. The Norton was simple - uninstall it. SQL is part of my Visual Studio 2005 (also not compatible with Vista, so I discovered) set up so it needed to stay. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Joe727" wrote:
The is a Beta version of Windows. Why would you upgrade at all? Install Vista on a separate partition and dual boot. That way you can leave your current operating system untouched and intact. This is how I set up my PC to install Vista Beta 2:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jbmsbink/VistaInstall.jpg
Joe
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
snip
Explain where and how the EULA was broken, plain jane. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Jane C" wrote:
Tom, you beat me to it! ;)
And of course the OP broke the terms of the EULA by so doing, so perhaps Microsoft should take action against him or her?
-- Jane, not plain ;) 64bit enabled ;) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;) "Tom Lake" wrote in message
Of course you followed the upgrade directions carefully and didn't install the BETA on your production machine and backed up your test system before installing BETA software on it, right? If not, you'll get no sympathy from me.
When all else fails.... read the instructions.
Good advice. Try practicing what you preach!
Tom Lake
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Uh, what?
I must admit I've only read bits and pieces of this thread, but you installed Vista *then* tried to do a backup?
You already had a functional OS before installing Vista. You shut down Outlook, you backup the .PST file, burn it to disc, whatever. At that point, you have your working backup, Vista's never even been involved, you've never even put the Vista media in the machine, and you're in a state where you shouldn't care whether that original .PST file gets trashed/corrupted/whatever.
You then install Vista, Office, etc, then in the worse case scenario if your original .PST file at that point is corrupted, you can always copy the file from the DVD on the top of the corrupted one. Additionally, if it turns out Vista's unusable for you, you can always nuke it, reinstall your previous OS, then Office, and then, again, copy your PST back from your DVD.
No, you need to learn basic logic and Vista needs to be made far more stable before public release.
FACT: A backup is only as good as the data it contains.
I'm not disagreeing.
FACT: If the data gets corrupted BEFORE or DURING the backup process (as is the case here), then it is the fault of the OS or software and not the user.
So you installed Vista and used *it* to backup your files?
I stand by my assertion. Dude, you do your backups *before* installing a beta OS. If your backup's corrupted then, it's certainly not Vista's fault.
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message
I swear that you are all as stupid as the tech support personnel in most companies you have to deal with - The data was corrupted on the hard drive and DVD's used to back it up. FACT: The data gets corrupted on the hard drive BEFORE it could backed up or DURING the backup process. It's a thing called logic that apparently no one that has responded can grasp. As for the beta testing on a single machine, that's why there are two hard drives in it and why, until this point, I had always kept the systems physically separated and used a dual boot setup. This time there was a specific request to test the "upgrade scenario" so that's what I did. At first there were no problems and everything was working fine. Then I chose to go back to XP Pro because I didn't feel there was adequate security in Vista or available for it. Since the Outlook backups had always worked before, I trusted that they would this time. Instead the entire backup file was destroyed for all practical purposes. What else do you call it when a file over 50MB's in size suddenly shrinks to 255KB?
Data can't get corrupted on a DVD. It must not have burned correctly.
-- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, OE/WM Please reply in newsgroup.
Well, you should have set up a separate PC to test the upgrade function, not your primary PC. That's only common sense since Vista is indeed, still in Beta.
As for release to the public - I find Vista, as you put it, stable enough. Sure there are problems, but that is exactly why Microsoft released it. They want end users like you and me to report back problems encountered.
Joe
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message
If there had not been an email specifically requesting to test the upgrade scenario, I would have stuck to the dual boot like I had up to now - two hard drives - one for production and one for testing. Considering that this beta was released to the general public, it should have been stable enough to use as requested as an upgrade. According to the Vista readiness check, the only problems I should have experienced were with the Norton software and some SQL server items. The Norton was simple - uninstall it. SQL is part of my Visual Studio 2005 (also not compatible with Vista, so I discovered) set up so it needed to stay. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
"Joe727" wrote:
The is a Beta version of Windows. Why would you upgrade at all? Install Vista on a separate partition and dual boot. That way you can leave your current operating system untouched and intact. This is how I set up my PC to install Vista Beta 2:
http://home.cfl.rr.com/jbmsbink/VistaInstall.jpg
Joe
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote in message If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
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"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be
running in order to perform the backup considering it's necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
I'm sure the word BACKUP appears in a statement about doing it BEFORE you install Vista.
You obviously don't work in Computers/IT or you would know this...
As for your cancer remark, I think it is disgusting of you to use such a statement to justify your comments. I'm sure that virtually everyone on here has had some family or very close friend with cancer.
IT IS A VERY CHEAP SHOT at sympathy for being a COMPLETE IDIOT.
Sorry, but someone had to say it.
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's >necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Sorry, but I have to have a REAL BIG RANT about this.
1 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer. I have sympathy with everyone that does, but not when it is used in this manner.
2 : Only a COMPLETE IDIOT would install a Beta product onto a productio (mostly or only usable computer).
3 : If you actually read the instructions before it fails (your signature says after it fails) then you would have read that it states to BACKUP BEFORE you install Vista.
4 : If the data is that critical, then why the hell did you want to try a BETA product on it anyway.
2 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's >necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Sorry, but I have to have a REAL BIG RANT about this.
1 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer. I have sympathy with everyone that does, but not when it is used in this manner.
2 : Only a COMPLETE IDIOT would install a Beta product onto a productio (mostly or only usable computer).
3 : If you actually read the instructions before it fails (your signature says after it fails) then you would have read that it states to BACKUP BEFORE you install Vista.
4 : If the data is that critical, then why the hell did you want to try a BETA product on it anyway.
2 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer
Uh - you are responding to my post and I said nothing about cancer. You must be referring to the Original Poster. Please respond to the appropriate post.
Joe
"Kingpin" wrote in message
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's >necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Sorry, but I have to have a REAL BIG RANT about this.
1 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer. I have sympathy with everyone that does, but not when it is used in this manner.
2 : Only a COMPLETE IDIOT would install a Beta product onto a productio (mostly or only usable computer).
3 : If you actually read the instructions before it fails (your signature says after it fails) then you would have read that it states to BACKUP BEFORE you install Vista.
4 : If the data is that critical, then why the hell did you want to try a BETA product on it anyway.
2 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer
I am very sure that you could e-mail the companies to send you your product keys again.
I'm pretty sure the product keys are written on the packaging that said "Important! Retain For Your Records."
Guess what, buddy: you didn't back-up your stuff. If you had backed up your stuff to DVD, how exactly do you logically point to Vista as the corruptor? Unless, you didn't do a backup untill you started the upgrade, in which case shame on you.
"coolbho3000" wrote:
I am very sure that you could e-mail the companies to send you your product keys again.
I wasn't replying to you, just adding to your comments, my post started with "Kolohe wiz wrote"
"Joe727" wrote:
Uh - you are responding to my post and I said nothing about cancer. You must be referring to the Original Poster. Please respond to the appropriate post.
Joe
"Kingpin" wrote in message
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's >necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Sorry, but I have to have a REAL BIG RANT about this.
1 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer. I have sympathy with everyone that does, but not when it is used in this manner.
2 : Only a COMPLETE IDIOT would install a Beta product onto a productio (mostly or only usable computer).
3 : If you actually read the instructions before it fails (your signature says after it fails) then you would have read that it states to BACKUP BEFORE you install Vista.
4 : If the data is that critical, then why the hell did you want to try a BETA product on it anyway.
2 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer
I think there may be some truth to what Kolohe Wiz is saying. A similar thing happened to me.
I had a test machine that I had Windows XP SP2 installed on. I partitioned the drive and installed Vista as a dual boot. Everything was working fine. Then I removed the drive from that machine and installed it as a secondary (non boot) drive in my main machine just in order to get a file off of the XP partition. I wasn't trying to do anything with the Vista partition. As it turned out, I was unable to access either the XP or Vista partitions. My main machine didn't even really recognize the disk was there. I gave up and removed the disk. Upon rebooting, it said my copy of a MAPI file for Outlook 2007 was corrupted and I needed to reinstall Outlook. Remember, I was not able to access anything on the XP/Vista disk. So just by virtue of connecting the disk to my machine, it messed up Outlook. Luckilly all my mail is kept on the Exchange server so that wasn't an issue and a repair of Outlook fixed the problem. But I now agree that there may be something to what Kolohe Wiz is saying. If it did this to Outlook just from placing the disk in the same machine, then I would not doubt it could corrupt the PST from doing an upgarde. (Of course you should have made a separeate CD, DVD or external disk backup, but that's kind of beside the point now.)
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
IC
Thanks for clarifying.
Joe
"Kingpin" wrote in message
I wasn't replying to you, just adding to your comments, my post started with "Kolohe wiz wrote"
"Joe727" wrote:
Uh - you are responding to my post and I said nothing about cancer. You must be referring to the Original Poster. Please respond to the appropriate post.
Joe
"Kingpin" wrote in message
"Kolohe Wiz" wrote:
And Vista has to be running in order to perform the backup considering it's >necessary for the program in question (Outlook 2003) to be usable.
Sorry, but I have to have a REAL BIG RANT about this.
1 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer. I have sympathy with everyone that does, but not when it is used in this manner.
2 : Only a COMPLETE IDIOT would install a Beta product onto a productio (mostly or only usable computer).
3 : If you actually read the instructions before it fails (your signature says after it fails) then you would have read that it states to BACKUP BEFORE you install Vista.
4 : If the data is that critical, then why the hell did you want to try a BETA product on it anyway.
2 : I think that you comment about your cancer, is a disgusting attempt to extort sympathy. I am sure that virtually everyone on here has/had someone close with cancer
So just by virtue of connecting the disk to my machine, it messed up Outlook.
If you can't afford to lose whatever's on that drive, you don't let a beta OS manage it--your drive is at the mercy of any bug that may be in that code. As far as I'm concerned, it's not enough to use a different drive--if the hardware is connected, Vista will have to manage it. That's why I won't even consider a dual-boot scenario on an important box.
If your only backup in on a drive being handled by beta code, IMNSHO you don't have a backup at all.
I could afford to lose the data, and I was well aware of the risks. Remeber this is 2 completely separate drive in two completely separte boxes. Regardless of that fact, it is still the case that simply connecting the drive to an existing system as a secondary drive caused problems on the primary OS which was on a different physical drive.
Perhaps the new boot loader process is something that existing XP installs can't deal with. We can talk about proper backup all day but if physically connecting a Vista drive to an existing XP box is going to cause corruption that's something that needs to be pointed out or resolved.
"Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
So just by virtue of connecting the disk to my machine, it messed up Outlook.
If you can't afford to lose whatever's on that drive, you don't let a beta OS manage it--your drive is at the mercy of any bug that may be in that code. As far as I'm concerned, it's not enough to use a different drive--if the hardware is connected, Vista will have to manage it. That's why I won't even consider a dual-boot scenario on an important box.
If your only backup in on a drive being handled by beta code, IMNSHO you don't have a backup at all.
I respectfully rescind everything I have said in this thread. I discovered there was a power problem with the connector to the Vista drive I was using. That is why I was unable to access the drive. Once that was corrected, I was able to connect the drive to a different system and browse both the XP and Vista partitions with no Outlook corruprtion or other prblems.
"Peter D" wrote:
I could afford to lose the data, and I was well aware of the risks. Remeber this is 2 completely separate drive in two completely separte boxes. Regardless of that fact, it is still the case that simply connecting the drive to an existing system as a secondary drive caused problems on the primary OS which was on a different physical drive.
Perhaps the new boot loader process is something that existing XP installs can't deal with. We can talk about proper backup all day but if physically connecting a Vista drive to an existing XP box is going to cause corruption that's something that needs to be pointed out or resolved.
"Homer J. Simpson" wrote:
So just by virtue of connecting the disk to my machine, it messed up Outlook.
If you can't afford to lose whatever's on that drive, you don't let a beta OS manage it--your drive is at the mercy of any bug that may be in that code. As far as I'm concerned, it's not enough to use a different drive--if the hardware is connected, Vista will have to manage it. That's why I won't even consider a dual-boot scenario on an important box.
If your only backup in on a drive being handled by beta code, IMNSHO you don't have a backup at all.
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.
If you are running Outlook 2003 and install Vista Beta 2 Business as an upgrade and try to backup your Outlook file you are in for a rude awakening. You will lose all the emails that you thought you had backed up and the original backup file and archive backup will both get corrupted and rendered useless. I found this out the hard way earlier today. I've lost over $600.00 worth of software that was purchased and downloaded over the past 6 months because of this MAJOR problem. Without the emails with the order info and serials, etc. the software cannot be replaced.
The fact that Beta 2 was unleasehed on an unsuspecting and unprepared public just makes it that much worse. I've been a beta tester since the days of Windows 3.1 and never experienced anything like this. No more will I defend Microsoft or its software as I have in the past.
We, as Beta testers, were asked to perform "upgrade scenarios" because Beta 2 was stable enough to do so. That was nothing but a lie. It is not stable by any stretch of the imagination. Build 5381 was far more stable than Beta 2 and that's unacceptable.
Beware and be warned that Microsoft can no longer be trusted as far as I'm concerned. And the $5.00 maximum for damages they refer to in the Beta 2 EULA is a joke for a multi-billion dollar company. I would venture to bet that no one ever receives one cent for their losses. I know I won't recoup anything for the losses I have suffered - all my emails from January 2006 through May 2006 are lost forever and most of them were business related correspondence.
I am so stressed out and frustrated at this point, I want nothing to do with Windows Vista or Microsoft products ever again. I don't feel like the company can be trusted at all. If/when a class action lawsuit comes out of this premature release of an unstable beta to the general public, I will be sure to get in on it as quick as I can. -- When all else fails.... read the instructions.